Curse

Dax · Oct 15, 2005, 12:54 PM // 12:54

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Originally Posted by drakul

I noticed the OP blanked out his name but left the name of the runner for all to see. Does that seem like fair play? I shall talk to the runner that was scammed and make him aware of this post. I will urge him to talk to Anet as well. Let them see who gets 'pwned'. Also shall endeavor to get ign of the OP and post it. That will balance this up some

And if you seriously dont believe the guy was scammed ask yourself if it was just a little premeditated.

Ummm, so he said he'd do it for free what does it matter if it was premeditated?...atleast according to the post.

Now if this was some elaborate scam involving screenshot touching up and he said he would pay, it is lame. But I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

Sister Rosette · Oct 15, 2005, 01:43 PM // 13:43

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Originally Posted by Fenix

Fansite Friday No. 56 - 26 Aug 2005
http://guildwars.gameamp.com/guildwars/gwInterview

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Originally Posted by The interview

" If we find that players are using runners to develop a character that is then abusive in PvP play by virtue of their higher-level acquisitions (particularly armor) we will need to take steps to prevent this.

This was some funny shit. They've done nothing to stop it.

Blkout · Oct 15, 2005, 01:52 PM // 13:52

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Originally Posted by TheIMP

I have always disliked runners, and today I saw yet another runner who wanted 1,5k for a trip to Beacon's Perch from Ascalon. I don't want to show superfluous offence, so i just sent a n00bish reply:

Odd enough he accepted my request..

When we got to Beacon's Perch after about 30 minutes and 6 deaths (the runner, lol), he peculiary enough asked me why I didn't pay :P

Obviously I didn't pay,
Pwned

So let me get this straight, you agreed to pay someone to run you somewhere and then when you got there you decided not to pay? And how does this make you look good? I don't care how many times the runner died, if you agreed to pay him to take you somewhere, you pay. Bottom line. If you wanted a runner that never dies, you should have asked for a runner that can make the trip without dying at all. You might pay more and probably will, but at least you aren't screwing someone that was offering you a service. This is the problem with many people playing this game, you want something for nothing and you have no honor or dignity when you agree to pay someone to do you a favor.

And before you answer, you know damn good and well your silly little comment about not having a head and being run for free was not part of the deal. You knew what you were getting and you knew what his price was. Bottom line, you tried the screw someone that was doing you a favor and you're a real POS because of it.

Sister Rosette · Oct 15, 2005, 01:57 PM // 13:57

I have a couple conditions to the people who run me.
(And I let them know before hand)

1. If I beat you there, I don't pay. It's pretty straightforward, and I don't
take running skills with me. Most runners agree with it because they see it
as a challenge. Even if I have yet to win the race.

2. You die more then 10 times, I leave. It's not worth it to pay someone
to circumvent a large part of the game if they never manage to make it
past the wurms.

3. Before the run begins, I friend the Runner. That way, if they log or
scam or whatnot I still have the username, and can contact them to see
if it was the dreaded Err=7 or an actual scam. If it's a scam I report it, if not,
back to Beacons.

Just lay down your rules before you go. An established runner will often
understand and respect the rules you have. A 'OEHGEE 1 C4PPD CH4RG3
I'M T3H RNNR NOWZ!!!' will call you a f*****g noob and kick you. You're
better off anyway.

Blkout · Oct 15, 2005, 01:58 PM // 13:58

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Originally Posted by Sister Rosette

I have a couple conditions to the people who run me.
(And I let them know before hand)

1. If I beat you there, I don't pay. It's pretty straightforward, and I don't
take running skills with me. Most runners agree with it because they see it
as a challenge. Even if I have yet to win the race.

2. You die more then 10 times, I leave. It's not worth it to pay someone
to circumvent a large part of the game if they never manage to make it
past the wurms.

3. Before the run begins, I friend the Runner. That way, if they log or
scam or whatnot I still have the username, and can contact them to see
if it was the dreaded Err=7 or an actual scam. If it's a scam I report it, if not,
back to Beacons.

Just lay down your rules before you go. An established runner will often
understand and respect the rules you have. A 'OEHGEE 1 C4PPD CH4RG3
I'M T3H RNNR NOWZ!!!' will call you a f*****g noob and kick you. You're
better off anyway.

Good tips, most of these I use as well.

Mimi Miyagi · Oct 15, 2005, 02:36 PM // 14:36

I've never had any problems with runners. They have almost zero impact on the way I play my game - except in one area.

It's almost impossible to get a group together to do Elona's Reach. Even if you do manage to put one together, chances are you'll fail by the third Crystal. It is, without a doubt, one of the most frustrating missions in the entire game, and that's why runners are so popular there. In this respect, runners are either ruining the game, or being a huge help, depending on your POV. They are ether ruining it because it's impossible to get a party together to finish the mission - or a boon because it was almost impossible before, and runners are making it fairly simple.

But I constantly see people offering to pay outrageous prices to be run someplace. Lately I see people begging for runners, offering up to 5K a person to be run, from War Camp to Granite Citadel. It's their money, and if they want to be ignorant and pay that much money for such a short trip, then that's there perogative.

EDIT - as far as people being "outraged" by people not paying, either as the runner, or as the runnee (if that's a word) - caveat emptor. It's the risk you take when providing a service that has no mechanics for retribution. For the runners, it's your choice to provide the service, you have to expect people to rip you off. If they don't pay, oh well, that's life. For the person being run, while it's dispicable to enter into an oral agreement then renege once the service has been performed, if you can live with yourself for having no honor, that's your choice too. For anyone upset that all of this is happening, from either POV, face it, it's life on the internet. People will get ripped off when attempting to rely on the goodwill of perfect strangers. It may suck, but the moral decay of society doesn't stop online, it only gets worse.

Dax · Oct 15, 2005, 04:28 PM // 16:28

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Originally Posted by Blkout

So let me get this straight, you agreed to pay someone to run you somewhere and then when you got there you decided not to pay? And how does this make you look good? I don't care how many times the runner died, if you agreed to pay him to take you somewhere, you pay. Bottom line. If you wanted a runner that never dies, you should have asked for a runner that can make the trip without dying at all. You might pay more and probably will, but at least you aren't screwing someone that was offering you a service. This is the problem with many people playing this game, you want something for nothing and you have no honor or dignity when you agree to pay someone to do you a favor.

And before you answer, you know damn good and well your silly little comment about not having a head and being run for free was not part of the deal. You knew what you were getting and you knew what his price was. Bottom line, you tried the screw someone that was doing you a favor and you're a real POS because of it.

Whoa am I imagining things? Does it say- "will you run me for free"? and then the runner replies "sure"?

I don't know unless something was cut out of the conversation I would think he said "Sure" as in ok, yes, affirmative.

What part is a scam, seems to me if he wanted to be paid the runner would have replied "no".

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Originally Posted by Mimi Miyagi

EDIT - as far as people being "outraged" by people not paying, either as the runner, or as the runnee (if that's a word) - caveat emptor. It's the risk you take when providing a service that has no mechanics for retribution. For the runners, it's your choice to provide the service, you have to expect people to rip you off. If they don't pay, oh well, that's life. For the person being run, while it's dispicable to enter into an oral agreement then renege once the service has been performed, if you can live with yourself for having no honor, that's your choice too. For anyone upset that all of this is happening, from either POV, face it, it's life on the internet. People will get ripped off when attempting to rely on the goodwill of perfect strangers. It may suck, but the moral decay of society doesn't stop online, it only gets worse.

Yea, it seems to me if Anet really put running in they would have put some sort of mechanism for a secure transfer. Sorry being sorta sarcastic, but in this case the runner made alot assumptions and said he'd run for free.

It's kinda ironic when we're talking about someone being scammedd on a trade, I usually see the majority of people have a "you got what you deserved, be more careful next time" attitude. This person obviously made a mistake in what he said and everyone is up in arms about it.

Running is gamble at best. I can think of lots of ways a person could mess them up and claim ignorance as the culprit. If the runner is a saavy business person they should factor this in when they offer this service.

Fenix Swiftblade · Oct 15, 2005, 06:30 PM // 18:30

Like I said, I'm a runner, and the runner in the OP's thread had it coming. He agreed to do the run for free (again, unless something was cut out there), and the OP was completely right in what he did. If the runner was stupid enough not to see that he agreed to run the OP for free it's his fault.

Sekkira · Oct 15, 2005, 07:29 PM // 19:29

1. The OP is an asshole. He didn't scam the dude, he's just being an ass about getting run with an overseen loophole.

2. Runners are contributing to problems in the game. No I will not blame them for all the problems, but I do believe (and I use that term loosely as I do not have the capability for faith) that runners should at least do some sort of check or something. I like the idea of restricting Lornar's from people who haven't finished the game on the account.

Then again, my issue isn't with the Lornar's run. It's just with running in general.

3. I have something personal against running. However I don't openly mock runners in districts. They 'play' the game how they want to. I can't and wont force my playstyle apon them. But for god sakes, tone it down. The whole thing of people new to the game being run is due to the excessive spam in districts about it.

drakul · Oct 16, 2005, 02:57 AM // 02:57

The OP did scam period.

He took advantage, knowingly and willingly. He even bragged about. The runner was simply not aware of the OPs true intentions, and the OP was well aware of this fact. He deliberately used cunning to extract a service and then not pay.
Dont ever say people deserve to be taken advantage of, thats putting blame on the victim.

So all I see is a SCAMMER, followed by some smug look at me post you got pwned.

Well here is the kicker, the OP is a true asshole, and to those that say yay go OP good one or the victim deserved what he got you are just plain asshole minions of the OP and it has absolutely nothing to do with running or not running as any form of argument, just a plain brag from a scammer glossed up with spin bullshit.

pyrohex · Oct 16, 2005, 03:49 AM // 03:49

To be fair, the runner agreed - whether he knew what was being agreed to; that's the runner's responsibilty.

I don't however, condone the OP's behavior. Taking advantage of stupid people is hardly a laudable act.

eveler890 · Oct 16, 2005, 07:01 AM // 07:01

[QUOTE=Sister Rosette]I have a couple conditions to the people who run me.
(And I let them know before hand)

1. If I beat you there, I don't pay. It's pretty straightforward, and I don't
take running skills with me. Most runners agree with it because they see it
as a challenge. Even if I have yet to win the race.

2. You die more then 10 times, I leave. It's not worth it to pay someone
to circumvent a large part of the game if they never manage to make it
past the wurms.

3. Before the run begins, I friend the Runner. That way, if they log or
scam or whatnot I still have the username, and can contact them to see
if it was the dreaded Err=7 or an actual scam. If it's a scam I report it, if not,
back to Beacons.[QUOTE]

I was just looking at this thread and i happend to like this comment by Sister Rosette. I do runs to all the desert locations, and i do it on an individual basis (meaning me and the person im running). I have too have conditions for thoes who I run as well as being receptive to thier conditions.

1. I refuse to run people who give my attitude and are rude in their response to me, as well as thoes who don't acknowlege my time as valuable.

2. I never accept payment up front: (you pay when you get to the desired destination).

3. If you cannot afford my price - say so, i am (more often than not) completely willing to do free runs or runs for tips. (i didn't always have money, and even now most of my worth is in my armor and weapons). (even with my standing on this issue i have been stiffed by people, who had they bothered to ask could have recieved the run for free in an honest manner)

4. I want my runs to be a pleasent experiece - i love when people have questions, or just want to talk about whatnot.

which is partly why i usualy only run one person at a time. (and if i find someone who is respectful and pleasent I always extend the offer of aiding them in the future if need be - there is always time to help decent people)

well i guess my point for this post is that running is a business, and one that births certin problems. But if the runner and the one utilizing the service act in a honest and responsible manner these problems are minimized. i run for the excitement of it, (the money doesn't hurt, but it is not why i do it). With great freedom, comes great responsibility, and this is why having a personal criteria for runners (or any transaction for that matter) is inportant not only for the sake of keeping you assets unharmed, but for keeping the game as a whole a pleasent experence... thats all... if anyone has issue with my viewpoint i appoligize, but stand firm in my convictions.

good night to everyone and i wish you the best

Elistan Theocrat · Oct 16, 2005, 07:14 AM // 07:14

What to do with runners?

Simple, outsell them on an even better idea.

Go into a zone, tell all the lazy non playing bastiches that are begging for free trips that they dont have to spend in game gold on runs anymore, for 3 simple paymens of 4.95 (paypal accepted) and an email confirming thier logins they can hire a professional guild wars player!!!

Just think, no more grind!!! With a pro player, you can start an account and 15 dollars (thats just 2 lattes at starbucks) and 3 weeks later you can have every skill unlocked for pvp AND NEVER HAVE TO LOG IN TO DO IT. You'll never even have to go as far as have your lazy ass drug thru a district that you could never survive on your own!!!

*disclaimer* I in no way advise doing this.

what do do with runners?

In a perfect world, hang them up by thier toes and flog them with a halibut.

For me, ignore the opportunistic assholes and try to ignore the lazy non playing bastiches who patronize them.

Teufel Eldritch · Oct 16, 2005, 07:31 AM // 07:31

Hell! I would play someone else's account for money! Sounds fun. Always get to play & get paid for it? Awesome!

Then again mebbe it wouldn't be so much fun after your 268th time thru the game just jamming it out. Nahhh that would be extremely dull no matter what the pay.

Do I like runners? Nahhh. I do think they have a negative effect on gameplay but ANet approves of them so what can I do? Nothing. To me it's a flaw in the game, one among several. I don't think it will EVER change tho. The only thing I can really hope for is for ANet one day to make a more traditional type of RPG with a GW theme. I love a lot things about GW but IMO it's flaws are massive & have a tremendous negative impact on the game/gameplay.

So till ANet makes that game I will play GW(till I get sick of it) & deal with the flaws in the best way I can. Nothing else I can do. <shrug>

Blkout · Oct 16, 2005, 02:17 PM // 14:17

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Originally Posted by Teufel Eldritch

Hell! I would play someone else's account for money! Sounds fun. Always get to play & get paid for it? Awesome!

Then again mebbe it wouldn't be so much fun after your 268th time thru the game just jamming it out. Nahhh that would be extremely dull no matter what the pay.

Do I like runners? Nahhh. I do think they have a negative effect on gameplay but ANet approves of them so what can I do? Nothing. To me it's a flaw in the game, one among several. I don't think it will EVER change tho. The only thing I can really hope for is for ANet one day to make a more traditional type of RPG with a GW theme. I love a lot things about GW but IMO it's flaws are massive & have a tremendous negative impact on the game/gameplay.

So till ANet makes that game I will play GW(till I get sick of it) & deal with the flaws in the best way I can. Nothing else I can do. <shrug>

To each his own, in my opinion GW has far more RIGHT than WRONG going for it. It seems to me that out of all the MMO games on the marekt, GW got far more right than the others did. Every game has its flaws and exploits and always will, GW does a very good job of making the game still fun while still dealing with the issues that pop up from time to time that affect gameplay for others.

Dax · Oct 16, 2005, 03:51 PM // 15:51

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Originally Posted by Elistan Theocrat

What to do with runners?

Simple, outsell them on an even better idea.

Right on....fight the power.

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Originally Posted by drakul

The OP did scam period.

He took advantage, knowingly and willingly. He even bragged about. The runner was simply not aware of the OPs true intentions, and the OP was well aware of this fact. He deliberately used cunning to extract a service and then not pay.
Dont ever say people deserve to be taken advantage of, thats putting blame on the victim.

Dude, the guy asked him if he could be run for free, the runner said yes and then asked for money.

If anyone was a scammer, it was the runner for changing the deal. If someone said they would do it for free and then renegged on me, I'd probably blow a head gasket.

All he had to say was no.

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Originally Posted by Blkout

To each his own, in my opinion GW has far more RIGHT than WRONG going for it. It seems to me that out of all the MMO games on the marekt, GW got far more right than the others did. Every game has its flaws and exploits and always will, GW does a very good job of making the game still fun while still dealing with the issues that pop up from time to time that affect gameplay for others.

Hicarumba, really? I agree it's a fun game and all, but its got more exploits and holes than most games. Then again maybe that's why it's fun.

Katara_StormFire · Oct 17, 2005, 03:33 AM // 03:33

Here's a new one, Saw a Runner today charging 1K to take new people in Post-Sear from Ascalon City to Ascalon Arena.

Teufel Eldritch · Oct 17, 2005, 12:05 PM // 12:05

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Originally Posted by Blkout

To each his own, in my opinion GW has far more RIGHT than WRONG going for it. It seems to me that out of all the MMO games on the marekt, GW got far more right than the others did. Every game has its flaws and exploits and always will, GW does a very good job of making the game still fun while still dealing with the issues that pop up from time to time that affect gameplay for others.

Don't get me wrong...I don't think GW has a lot of flaws...in fact if I were count it's major flaws I would be hard pressed to come up with more that 4 or 5. However the few flaws it does have are so massive that they have a huge negative impact on the game...IMO.

Hanuman li Tosh · Oct 17, 2005, 01:51 PM // 13:51

i wonder if some people can even read in here? seriously.
OP definately scammed the guy. look at what was typed. if he wound up having a head (which all GW characters have) he is obligated to pay. the cost was 1.5k per head and he asked if he could not pay on the grounds he didnt have a head.

the funniest part about it is he spent the time getting run to a place he didnt need to get run to, and took 30 minutes out of his life to rip someone off for something he didnt need. actions speak louder than words bro. you might as well get a tattoo that says "i need a hug".

Dax · Oct 17, 2005, 02:32 PM // 14:32

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Originally Posted by Hanuman li Tosh

i wonder if some people can even read in here? seriously.
OP definately scammed the guy. look at what was typed. if he wound up having a head (which all GW characters have) he is obligated to pay. the cost was 1.5k per head and he asked if he could not pay on the grounds he didnt have a head.

Dear god, are you serious? Wow you have a strange idea of what scamming is.

Obviously the runner knew he had a head (as you even admit all GW characters do) or he was a complete moron. All he had to say was one little word, "NO".

Unless there was more to this story, then the runner said he would run him for free... because even if we take the fact that the runner was under the impression he had no head (which is highly unlikely) he could see that he did before they started. If he assumed that the guy was joking he was stupid for making that assumption and should have made sure. Either way, if he said it was free then you can't blame the runnee for not paying.

Please try to use some common sense, and think about what you're saying.